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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.jets.dk/cs/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Aviation Top 100 questions</title><link>http://www.jets.dk/cs/forums/21/ShowForum.aspx</link><description>Questions about the Aviation Top 100 list.</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60526.2668)</generator><item><title>Re: Chinese mig-21 derivatives; affordable in crisis</title><link>http://www.jets.dk/cs/forums/thread/9713.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:25:21 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a23efcf1-9e75-4ff9-be18-cd9cb68b9485:9713</guid><dc:creator>michael82</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.jets.dk/cs/forums/thread/9713.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.jets.dk/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=21&amp;PostID=9713</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Maybe book&amp;nbsp;"Fighter performance in practice; Phantom vs MiG-21" at eBay (&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I think it can be downloaded free on net), tells something about family abilities...&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Chinese mig-21 derivatives; affordable in crisis</title><link>http://www.jets.dk/cs/forums/thread/9694.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:26:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a23efcf1-9e75-4ff9-be18-cd9cb68b9485:9694</guid><dc:creator>michael82</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.jets.dk/cs/forums/thread/9694.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.jets.dk/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=21&amp;PostID=9694</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;One can find double delta &lt;SPAN&gt;J-7G and radicaly changed JL-9 &lt;SPAN&gt;MiG-21 derivatives interesting...&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Maybe article better describes family potential...&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;B&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT size=6&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT size=6&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Try to point at and shoot well flown MiG-21!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Predrag Pavlovic, dipl.ing. and Nenad Pavlovic, dipl.ing, JAT Airways&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;B&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldItalicMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Maneuverability of modern fighter is measured by how slow it can fly and how high&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;angle of attack it can sustain and still turn. During some war situations, US evaluation&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;and Aggressor use, MiG-21 has shown it can keep pace with modern planes in this&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;area. Aircraft manufacturer at one time considered this irrelevant and imposed&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;restrictions on angle of attack. Flying above allowed 28-33 degrees local angle of&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;attack at low speeds makes possible to relatively safely achieve a maneuverability once&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;considered privilege of modern fighters.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Couple years ago reports and testimonies appeared in the media about a dogfight during&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;the Israeli-Arab War '73. when the Egyptian MiG-21 pilot managed to do a Split-S&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;maneuver at the start altitude of 3000 feet, less than half minimum airspace the manual&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;says (about 6750 ft). Appropriate simulation can be found on the internet:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT color=#0000ff&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT color=#0000ff&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQMzK2WfYYM&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Figure 1.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;2&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Initiated by this event, some American and Israeli enthusiasts (once pilots of their AF&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;fighters), one of which has a private squadron of various Russian fighters, attempted to&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;replicate that minimum altitude needed to complete Split-S figure in the two-seater MiG-&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;21. Previous consultation with Israeli ace, who participated in that dogfight in '73. war,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;did not help test to be successful. Attempts were carried out at the higher altitude (5 km)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;and the height loss during the figure was in accordance with flight manual. It remained&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;unclear whether ’73 event was result of "special skills or superhuman strength of the&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Egyptian pilot needed to withstand the required g-loads”.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Recently disclosed files of the official MiG-21 evaluation in the U.S. revealed some&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;unexpected capabilities that can be correlated with the "inexplicable" ’73. maneuver.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;MiGs were brought to America via Israel, in the late '60s as a result of pilot error or fled&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;from Iraq and Algeria. Later they were bought from Indonesia. The MiG-21 in the U.S.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Air Force is designated YF-110.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;The report of a MiG-21F shows nothing particularly unusual, except for maneuvering&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;capabilities and behavior/handling at low speeds described as "class above competition”.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Besides that, if competitors tried to follow MiG-21F at high alpha, their engine&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;experienced shutdown or compressor stall. MiG could perform "hammerhead" turn (wing&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;over/stall turn/renversement) at 100 knots (knot = 1.853 km/h), figure where at the end of&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;the vertical climb pilot add rudder (with the opposite aileron and forward stick) to push&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;the plane in the dive. Rudder is effective from 30 knots. With the stick fully backward,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;the plane flies at 210 km/h, the rolling oscillations are present, but there is no lift&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;breakdown or the tendency towards spin. If during the evaluation, loss of control due to&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;uncoordinated controls occurred, it was in the form of roll-off (usually for 180°) instead&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;of much more dangerous yaw-off. To put the plane back under control it was necessary&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;only to release controls. MiG-21 proved to be docile, safer to fly than MIG-17. During&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;the hundred flight tests engine compressor stall was never experienced.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;U.S. of course, used MiGs in dogfight evaluation against their aircraft. Latter, they&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;formed "Aggressor" squadron of MiGs and other fighters for the dogfight simulation with&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;regular American aircraft.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;3&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;4&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Figure 2, 3. MiG-21 on testing in the U.S.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;During MiG testing, it was clear that U.S. pilots have not relied on Soviet pilot’s manuals&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;or they did not have one at the beginning. That is why the aircraft ability was fully&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;exploited. Test pilots had thousands of flight hours experience on dozens of types of&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;aircraft. Those who have survived the testing of U.S. supersonic fighters&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;F-100/101/104/4 (many of planes were called "widow makers"), learned to recognize the&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;pre-stall/spin signs and use rudder for rolling the aircraft at higher angles of attack.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;5&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Figure 4. Some of the results of MiG-21 testing in the United States&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;6&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Reportedly, if Vietnamese pilots had adequate training, the U.S. fighter shot-down ratio&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;figures would be much worse in that war. In the hands of the well trained pilots, MiG&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;would always outmaneuvered Phantom. US unveils graphs depicting not only far better&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;instantaneous turn performance of Fishbed C compared to F-4D but also better sustained&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;maneuverability. MiG-21 Aggressor pilots respected only the most modern fighters&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;because they do not lose so much speed in turn even at low speeds. However, appearance&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;of all-aspect infrared missiles reduced the importance of sustained turns (M2000, F-18E,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Gripen …are not brilliant in the maintaining speed in turn). If MiG-21 had R-73 missile,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;it could easily take advantage of first shoot opportunity at close range against any new&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;fighter.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;The F-5E, fighter which does not fly above Mach 1.5, MiG-21 simulator, reportedly has&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;shade better subsonic sustained turn maneuverability, but inferior controllability at low&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;speeds. Maneuverability is the ability to change speed and direction of flight path&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;(velocity vector pointing) and controllability - ability of change aircraft attitude&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;(pitch/roll/yaw - nose pointing) and thrust (engine response - spool up time matters).&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;When the aircraft initial flight path in dogfight is anti-parallel flyby, combat will&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;inevitably develop so that someone goes in a climb with rolling scissors - turn reversals&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;along the opponent’s flight path to remain behind the opponent. If the F-5E does not gain&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;an advantage before the speed drops below 200 knots, MiG will start winning. First look&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;at the configuration of the aircraft, MiG – delta with the sweep near 60°, and Tiger with&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;nearly straight wings, would suggest the opposite, that MiG is in trouble at low speed.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Even the mighty F-15 Eagle had no solution in dogfight below 150-250 knots against&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;MiG-21 in US Aggressor hands. At the beginning of dogfight, at the speed of 400-500&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;knots MiG-21 will turn at max g loosing 70 knots per second, ending at the speed of 70&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;knots in less than 90º of turn (deceleration of 3.5 g, more intensive than Harrier’s VIFF&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;turn). Reportedly, no other aircraft can do that. This way MiG will remain behind every&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;opponent still having sufficient controllability for gun tracking using rudder rolls.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Opponents would think that at this speed MiG can only bring down the nose and dive, but&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;the MiG at less than 100 knots has sufficient pitch authority to raise the nose at enemy. If&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;F-15 tries to follow, ’21 should execute 'barrel-roll ' to remain behind the Eagle.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;It is obvious that MiG-21 'Aggressor' pilots pulled full aft stick in turn regardless of the&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;lateral oscillations, roll-off and temporary loss of control.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;7&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Figure 5. Scissors maneuver&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;8&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Latter, the F-15 pilots learned (in a hard way) not to accept maneuvering at slow speeds,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;not to allow to be drown into a series of turn reversals, but to withdraw and re-attack at&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;higher speeds using 3D turns and it’s higher thrust/weight ratio. F-15 with 45º swept&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;wing and low horizontal tail, at higher angle of attack becomes longitudinally&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;superstable, so it can not achieve more than about 30º angle of attack.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;On the example of lift and stability of the aircraft with the 45º swept wing and high-set&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;horizontal tail it can be seen that the lift begins to decline at 10º (buffeting starts), the&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;wings are stalled at the 20º (the airflow separates from the wing), and max body lift is at&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;35-40º after which it decreases. Delta wing of MiG-21 with sweep of 57 º retains stable&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;airflow to very high angles of attack.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Longitudinal stability is positive where the curve has a downward slope. In this case, the&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;position of the horizontal tail is causing longitudinal instability at 15º, and at 35-40º angle&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;of attack aircraft is trimmed without tail deflection. MiG-21 has no problem with&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;longitudinal stability (except with air to ground armament with low fuel) and the plane in&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;the example would have a limit at 15º angle of attack.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Yaw stability curve shows that the aircraft is unstable at 15º, what is not uncommon.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Few modern fighters are stable at over 20º, but it is not a problem if the aircraft maintains&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;lateral stability i.e. roll due to yaw. Roll stability curve is increasing as the lift increase,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;so it similarly comes to the instability, in this case at about 20º angle of attack. Shall the&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;plane have a tendency toward spin (at no deflection of the control surfaces!) show the&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;curve of dynamic directional stability where factors are static yaw and roll stability along&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;the inertial characteristics of the aircraft. In this example, the plane is at stall just above&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;20º angle of attack, while MiG-21 is stable at well over 30º at low Mach numbers.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Curves correspond to a particular Mach number, at some other speed they can vary&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;significantly.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;9&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Figure 6. Example lift and stability of aircraft&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;10&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Soviet training was based on a relatively small number of flight hours on a MiG, which is&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;used for training the primary purpose of aircraft, interception of fighters-bombers, under&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;ground control. Pilots are not encouraged to explore the flight envelope. The aircraft is&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;designed to fly faster and higher. Slow speeds were irrelevant, except for landing. In the&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;first combat manuals, the performance at altitudes only above 5 km were presented.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Later, it turned out that there are many practical constraints due to which the projected&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;max altitudes and speeds are rarely used.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;MiG-21 wing has no camber or twist along span. The relative thickness of the higher end&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;of the wing than in the root. There are few prestall signs. Prestall buffet begins much&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;earlier (at 50-100 km/h higher speed), its intensity is light and slightly decreases at higher&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;α. Below Mach 0.4 buffet does not develop. Just before stall α, aircraft nose would start&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;wandering accompanied by more noticeable wing rocking (roll oscillations that intensify&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;thru the stall), symptoms of dynamic directional instability.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Stalling proceeds more vigorously with fewer signs at higher subsonic speeds.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Ailerons are ineffective in countering roll oscillations and rudder would push aircraft into&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;a spin. Setting control surfaces to the neutral position immediately after the onset of stall&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;would restore normal flight conditions. The aircraft is longitudinally stable in air combat&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;configuration at any internal fuel quantity.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Aircraft’s stall speed (speed at which dynamic directional stability breakdown occurs) is&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;function of Mach number, because directional and lateral static stability usually decreases&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;with speed. Stall angle of attack decreases from above 30º (far beyond indicated &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;α) &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;at&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Mach 0.2 to 20º (i.e. 33 units local angle of attack on indicator) at Mach 0.95.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;In those days when MiG-21 was designed, electronic flight controls to limit the angle of&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;attack in function of Mach number didn’t exist. A fighter was built primarily for high&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;speeds, high altitude interceptions. At slower speeds previous generations MiG-19/17&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;were better.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Designers put the angle of attack indicator, calibrated in local angle of attack, to warn the&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;pilot of approaching stall limit. At recommended and allowed limit 28 units (about 17º&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;true angle of attack) safety margin to stall is from 13º at Mach 0.2 to 3º at Mach 0.95.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;B&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;So there is large margin between allowed angle of attack and stall angles of attack&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;especially at lower Mach numbers&lt;/B&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;At higher speeds, the angle of attack is limited by tail pitching power.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;11&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Mach number 0.2 0.7 0.8 0.95&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Stall angle of attack (α) &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;&amp;gt; 30º ~ 25º ~ 23º ~ 20º&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Stall speed&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;weight = 7500 kg&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;233 km/h 254 km/h 260 km/h 267 km/h&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Speed at 33 units local &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;α&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;(~20º &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;α )&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;287 km/h 287 km/h 282 km/h&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;267 km/h&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;(stall)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Speed at 28 units local α&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;(~17º &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;α )&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;311 km/h 311 km/h 305 km/h 291 km/h&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;So, the low speed turning capabilities were not fully exploited. If situation comes, like it&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;happened to that Egyptian pilot during war, there is an additional lift potential.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;During the Split-S fig&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;ure, speed should not be increased. The closer to stall α is, the lesser&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;the altitude loss is during figure. Below 600 km/h CAS entry speed aircraft cannot&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;aerodynamically reach the allowed structural load factor so there is no need for&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;superhuman physical stress. At higher speeds height loss in split-S at stall angle of attack&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;is much more than 3000 ft.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;12&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;13&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;14&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Figure 7, 8, 9.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;15&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Because of its very high stall angle of attack at lower Mach numbers and good pitch&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;control authority (large wing leading edge sweep produces strong vortical flow which&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;shifts aerodynamic centre forward at high alpha, reducing stability thus allowing the tail&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;to easily trim aircraft at more than 30° alpha), aircraft has a great point and shoot&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;potential with modern IR missiles.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Although it is often said that the MiG-21 looses a lot of energy in turn, the truth is also&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;that it has better sustained turn performance than most aircraft of its generation.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Tumansky engine proved almost stall/surge free at speeds far below minimums quoted in&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;conservative Soviet flight manuals. All U.S. and European contemporary designs flamed&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;out under same conditions. Engine has two shafts for optimized - different rotational&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;speeds of low and high pressure compressors stages for a compressor blade stall&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;resistance, feature that allows more compressors stages to be added for lowering specific&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;fuel consumption. But it has unusually low number of compressor stages for a two-shaft&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;design, contributing to reliability. Bad side of this philosophy is higher fuel consumption.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Despite the resistance of the compressor to the extreme conditions of airflow at the inlet,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;if afterburner is engaged at almost zero speed (well below the conservative engine&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;envelope) other undesirable phenomena are possible. Distortions of the inlet airflow&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;causes disruption of relations of air and fuel in the AB chamber, which changes the speed&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;of combustion. Pressure fluctuations coupled to acoustic velocity fluctuation (AB&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;chamber is also exposed to sound fatigue, the noise is up to 180 decibels) associated with&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;combustion instability (called rumbling), can cause extreme resonant structural vibrations&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;of the engine with subsequent engine destruction and the loss of the aircraft.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;The published results of American evaluation relates to the F/PF models. BIS model has&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;15-20% higher ratio of inertia moments in yaw to roll. It certainly results in more sideslip&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;during rolls and somewhat lower stall angle of attack, angle when breakdown of dynamic&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;directional stability occurs. But the prevailing factor in this equation is the dihedral effect&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;i.e. roll stability and it is the same in all models because it depends on airflow around the&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;delta wing, so it can be expected good behavior of BIS model at low speeds also.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;It should be borne in mind that prevailing effects at high angles of attack are dihedral and&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;adverse yaw due to aileron deflection. Rudder is used for rolling and if the sideslip angle&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;or yaw rate (induced in this way) crosses critical, result is the spin. Opposite aileron&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;increases the roll rate through an additional sideslip angle i.e. 'adverse yaw'. In most&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;modern aircraft application of such cross controls for 5-15 seconds, usually causes spin.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;16&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Figure 10. MiG-21 derivatives J-7G and JL-9&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;In general, the plane that has a lower stall speed is more maneuverable. At some speed, it&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;will be able to achieve g-load equal to the square of the mentioned speeds quotient. The&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;U.S. experience from simulated dogfights during exercises indicates the importance of&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;the minimum speed and controllability at high angles of attack. That is why F-18 gets F-&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;15/16 although its performances are considerably lower. Latest F-18E has still weaker&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;performance, but better controllability. Angle of attack, at low speeds, of the F-16 and&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;17&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Gripen is limited to about 26º (Rafale and the Typhoon to a shade more). F-15 has max&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;trimmed angle of attack 30-33º with poor roll response here. Against 'stealth' fighters F-&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;22/35 and corresponding new Russian (whose all planform contour lines are parallel to a&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;few main sweep angles - cm wavelength radar return angles, in addition to other 'stealth'&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;measures and cost of 50 MiG-21), none of the listed has significant chances at medium&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;range. Analysts agree that the close combat will remain inevitable, and that each aircraft&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;armed with missiles cued by helmet sight has a chance, especially if it can reach high&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;angles of attack. Even stealth fighters do not destroy opponents with death rays. Every&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;component of the fire control/weapon system chain has limitations, from fighter radar to&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;missile fuze. Towed mini decoy (laterally separated) with monopulse deception&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;jammer/repeater or just simple towed corner reflector can draw away radar return signal&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;centroid from towing aircraft. It could help surviving medium range combat even against&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;stealth fighters.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;The main disadvantages of MiG-21 are poor cockpit downward visibility, a&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;proportionally small (but inline to generation) wingspan i.e. large induced drag&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;(afterburner is needed for level flight at the absolute minimum speed, as at max allowed&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Mach number) and relatively slow response of two-shaft engine. All this causes poor&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;performance on landing, especially in the case of go-around. Small fighter size means&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;limited mission equipment carriage capacity.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;It turns out that only important is to have a reliable and economical aircraft, a platform&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;for carrying payload, with attack speed in the Mach 1.5+ class (that’s why a 15-20 years&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;younger A-10 was withdrawn prematurely). The modern nav-attack equipment&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;(simplified inertial system, GPS, displays…) is now relatively inexpensive to install even&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;in a small propeller planes. MiG-21 operators missed opportunity to realize fact that with&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;helmet cued, large acquisition angle R-73 missile that was available upgrade, MiG could&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;achieve 50:1 kill ratio in dogfight against F-18/Gripen/Typhoon class fighters just&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;because latter were 10-15 years late with similar weapon system. Instead of making best&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;of it, MiG-21 operators opted to admire newer fighters.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Because of its good characteristics, even 50 years after MiG-21 became operational,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;some of its modifications are still in production in Asia.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;Reference:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P align=left&gt;- Fighter Performance in Practice, Phantom versus MiG-&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;21, Predrag and Nenad Pavlović, &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT&gt;eBay.com;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;- Test and Evaluation Squadron, Nellis Air Force Base, Interviews;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;</description></item><item><title>Chinese mig-21 derivatives; affordable in crisis</title><link>http://www.jets.dk/cs/forums/thread/9658.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:12:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a23efcf1-9e75-4ff9-be18-cd9cb68b9485:9658</guid><dc:creator>michael82</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.jets.dk/cs/forums/thread/9658.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.jets.dk/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=21&amp;PostID=9658</wfw:commentRss><description>any opinion on topic ?</description></item></channel></rss>