Questions about the F-16

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:31:00 GMT

*** Posted by run ***
Unless of course it was guns jinks he was refering to, but I doubt it. All aircraft has their little speciallity.
Most kills are going to be with missiles in the future though.

RUN

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:29:00 GMT

*** Posted by run ***
I know how the F-16 rolls at high AOA (since I have flown the sucker) and it is kind of unique, but not something I would rely on completely as a guns defense.

RUN

[I've seen this menuever done but only at Edwards AFB and it was an AFFTC F-16B. Wide rolls but far from perfect. Looked like the aircraft was at a high AoA.

I think he was pulling your leg ;o)

Run

i have talked to a USAF 16 pilot and he say's that the f-16 can do 3 perfect rolling monuevers. i dont know what it is called but it looks as though he pulls up and at same time puts stick to the right/left and makes the plane roll in a funny way so that it rolls up and down. He said that even modern fighters such as rafale couldnt do it, and that it could be a useful monuever in a dogfight as others wouldnt be able to follow.]

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Apr 2001 07:29:00 GMT

*** Posted by David ***
I've seen this menuever done but only at Edwards AFB and it was an AFFTC F-16B. Wide rolls but far from perfect. Looked like the aircraft was at a high AoA.

[I think he was pulling your leg ;o)

Run

i have talked to a USAF 16 pilot and he say's that the f-16 can do 3 perfect rolling monuevers. i dont know what it is called but it looks as though he pulls up and at same time puts stick to the right/left and makes the plane roll in a funny way so that it rolls up and down. He said that even modern fighters such as rafale couldnt do it, and that it could be a useful monuever in a dogfight as others wouldnt be able to follow.]

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:46:00 GMT

*** Posted by Justin ***
okay, the pilot's name was Blan Smith, i think he is a pilot for LM. He said the f-16 is special in way's even upcoming aircraft arnt.
I.E.
* thrust 2 weight
take off
vertical climb

* agility
it's turn rate
high own set rate (own?)
change in direction capability

He said he shows some of these in what he calls the falcon turn.

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:20:00 GMT

*** Posted by Justin ***
no, he wasnt. when i find the name of the monuever i will tell u.

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:06:00 GMT

*** Posted by run ***
I think he was pulling your leg ;o)

Run

[i have talked to a USAF 16 pilot and he say's that the f-16 can do 3 perfect rolling monuevers. i dont know what it is called but it looks as though he pulls up and at same time puts stick to the right/left and makes the plane roll in a funny way so that it rolls up and down. He said that even modern fighters such as rafale couldnt do it, and that it could be a useful monuever in a dogfight as others wouldnt be able to follow.]

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:17:00 GMT

*** Posted by Justin ***
i have talked to a USAF 16 pilot and he say's that the f-16 can do 3 perfect rolling monuevers. i dont know what it is called but it looks as though he pulls up and at same time puts stick to the right/left and makes the plane roll in a funny way so that it rolls up and down. He said that even modern fighters such as rafale couldnt do it, and that it could be a useful monuever in a dogfight as others wouldnt be able to follow.

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:13:00 GMT

*** Posted by run ***
I don't know what kind of plans Belgium has. I am Danish and not very much have been decided regarding the final version of the JSF.

Run
[So is belgium gonna buy any JSF's? r they putting a 40k engine in the JSF? wouldnt this make it's turning capabilities really good, as it wouldnt lose much airsped when others would?]

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:05:00 GMT

*** Posted by Justin ***
So is belgium gonna buy any JSF's? r they putting a 40k engine in the JSF? wouldnt this make it's turning capabilities really good, as it wouldnt lose much airsped when others would?

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:02:00 GMT

*** Posted by run ***
No telling until they actually have been on the scene for a couple of years.
They are both going to be great aircraft.

RUN
[from a pilots perspective, do you think the USAF's f-22 will be all that they say it will. Do you think that it will be unbeatable in BVR and extremly agile in a dogfight? Also what do you think about the JSF? do you think it will be able to outperform other current fronline fighters in combat?]

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:47:00 GMT

*** Posted by Justin ***
from a pilots perspective, do you think the USAF's f-22 will be all that they say it will. Do you think that it will be unbeatable in BVR and extremly agile in a dogfight? Also what do you think about the JSF? do you think it will be able to outperform other current fronline fighters in combat?

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:42:00 GMT

*** Posted by run ***
The F16 is one of the better choices at low altitude. It also greatly depends on the pilot.
You probably have the best chance of hands on combat by joining the US Airforce, but that is a pretty vague reason for selecting the airforce you want to join.
If you want to stand a chance in the selection process you also have to put a damper on your combat eagernes. Guys that are too eager to go to war tend to be deselected.
You want to be professional about it. Be the best you can be and if you have to be a political instrument don't hesitate doing so, but it is not something you should wish for. Sure it will give you some professional satisfaction to go into combat. It is what you have trained for. But it should not be your sole motivation for selecting the job.

Regards John Raahauge (RUN)

[yes but the f-16 wouldnt be aircraft of choice then in a close in engament? I always thought that the 16 was the aircraft of choice if a fight was to get close. This is because when i read current spects on aircraft, they say the 16 will outperform other agile aircraft in close such as- f-18, mirage2000, mig-29, f-15, f-14...
I ask what airforce would suit me best because USAF have f-22, JSF and will still have 15 and 16 available, where the RAF will have typhoon. I feel i will get more combat experience if i join USAF, this is because they seem to be much more involvment around the world thus, when things hot up there pilots tend to get more real combat time then the RAF.
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Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:57:00 GMT

*** Posted by Justin ***
yes but the f-16 wouldnt be aircraft of choice then in a close in engament? I always thought that the 16 was the aircraft of choice if a fight was to get close. This is because when i read current spects on aircraft, they say the 16 will outperform other agile aircraft in close such as- f-18, mirage2000, mig-29, f-15, f-14...
I ask what airforce would suit me best because USAF have f-22, JSF and will still have 15 and 16 available, where the RAF will have typhoon. I feel i will get more combat experience if i join USAF, this is because they seem to be much more involvment around the world thus, when things hot up there pilots tend to get more real combat time then the RAF.

[Yes, I mean it. I am currently an Instructor on the AT-38 and I haven't flown the F-16 since 1999 and we flew block 15's, currently beeing upgraded with Midlife Update (MLU).
You are never wrong to go with the F-16. It is the best jet out there from a pilots perspective. Bubble canopy, tiltback seat, side stick etc. It is a dream to fly. Sure in a dogfight there are aircraft that can outperform the F-16, but 95+% of future engagements are going to be BVR or atleast over within 90 degrees of turn.
The F-16 is the Mustang of over time. It is a dream to fly.
Pick the country you like the best. Both will have great aircraft by the time you get through your training.

when you say you havnt got any idea, do you mean it. Or are you just not aloud to say? Anyway, so would i be wrong in choosing a 16 as the plane to be in during a dogfight? Also i have staring my flying training, and as i am both American and British, which airforce do you think would best suit me after i finnish my flying training? Im doing my flying training in the UK.
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Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:37:00 GMT

*** Posted by run ***
Yes, I mean it. I am currently an Instructor on the AT-38 and I haven't flown the F-16 since 1999 and we flew block 15's, currently beeing upgraded with Midlife Update (MLU).
You are never wrong to go with the F-16. It is the best jet out there from a pilots perspective. Bubble canopy, tiltback seat, side stick etc. It is a dream to fly. Sure in a dogfight there are aircraft that can outperform the F-16, but 95+% of future engagements are going to be BVR or atleast over within 90 degrees of turn.
The F-16 is the Mustang of over time. It is a dream to fly.
Pick the country you like the best. Both will have great aircraft by the time you get through your training.

[when you say you havnt got any idea, do you mean it. Or are you just not aloud to say? Anyway, so would i be wrong in choosing a 16 as the plane to be in during a dogfight? Also i have staring my flying training, and as i am both American and British, which airforce do you think would best suit me after i finnish my flying training? Im doing my flying training in the UK.
]

Re:f-16 vs. f-18

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:46:00 GMT

*** Posted by Justin ***
when you say you havnt got any idea, do you mean it. Or are you just not aloud to say? Anyway, so would i be wrong in choosing a 16 as the plane to be in during a dogfight? Also i have staring my flying training, and as i am both American and British, which airforce do you think would best suit me after i finnish my flying training? Im doing my flying training in the UK.

even though you might be to up to date on the newer blocks, do you think the 35k engine in the new block60 will provide anough power to retain it's original performance?

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