Tactics

Is it true?

anonymous2 — Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:44:00 GMT

*** Posted by Rapier ***
Hej Run,

Is it true that pilot's have to know survival tactic's if they ever eject over enemy or unknown territory? I picked up this book from the shop's the other day written by an X SAS soldier and it's real interesting, you can learn alot in a bad situation.

Rapier

Carrier Landing Procedure

kuyakev — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:26:31 GMT

Can some please to me the in great detail the proper landing procedure when landing on an aircraft carrier. Thanks.

Navy Carrier Landing question

eber — Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:34:54 GMT

I've been searching the net for a good link which describes navy carrier landings - specifically wondering about approach glidepath angles - is it a 3 degree glidepath?

When you're visual, what does the Fresnel Lens (a.k.a. the Meatball) dictate in terms of glide path angle?

Thank you.

Call Sign

kuyakev — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:24:24 GMT

This goes to all fighter pilots or wanna be fighter pilots. What is your call sign?

Need help inderstanding naval carrier aviation terminology

crowman — Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:00:46 GMT

To anyone who can help.

I am not a military pilot, but I love to read alot of aviation books. I was recently reading a naval Aviation Book about life on a Carrier during Dessert Storm and some terminology was used many times which I don't understand. It's called "Entering the Break" and "Breaking the Deck". These terms are used alot....Any I don't quite get what they are talking about during the landing sequence. This may be a really stupid question..... but if someone could help this old guy (43) understand these terms, It would help me appreciate the book which i am reading. Thank You in advance

Maximum Flight Time for F16

smspro — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 05:40:11 GMT

On a sortie, how long can the F16 stay in the air?

Also, how much "reserve time" is the norm?

SAM

Snowstorm — Fri, 29 Nov 2002 02:55:53 GMT

What do you do when you are on a bombing run, and you get a SAM launch (or probably 2)

Do you jettison your bombs, or do you try to outmanoveur the missle with the bombs still on your hardpoints ??

thx

Snowstorm

TAC evaluation

michael82 — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:06:09 GMT

"The USN evaluation of the F-8E found that the MiG-21 could out turn the F-8 in a close-in fight.Zoom performance was comparable below 25,000 ft and on station time was also comparable. Large size and prominent smoke trail was a disadvantage. The F-8E was capable of exceeding the MiG-21 speed limit at low altitude. Acceleration performance was better than the MiG-21 at low and medium altitudes below 1.2 Mach

ADC Evaluated the F-106 and found its radar capable of acquisition and that radar snap-up attack with all aspect armament should be used to exploit MiG-21 lack of fire control. The F-106 could use better acceleration to get beyond MiG-21 speed limit if not in an advantageous position. The F-106 should use missiles then close in to gun kill position. It was the consensus of ADC that the U.S. needed to expedite procurement of cannon for F-106, and replacement of its canopy bar with clear pane. It was concluded that the F-106 shouldn’t attempt a slow speed turning contest and should keep its speed from 400-450 KCAS during patrol and engagement.

The TAC evaluation of the F-5A revealed that within performance limits, the F-5 had considerable capability to engage the MiG-21. The F-5 had performance advantage below 15,000 feet, however the MiG-21 had higher Mach capability at higher altitude. Overall turn comparison was about equal and level acceleration was equal in military power, MiG-21 had a slight advantage in afterburner. They had comparable fire control systems. The F-5 controlled the tactical engagement effectively and if defensive separation was necessary, the F-5 could exceed the MiG-21 airspeed limit below 15,000 ft. The F-5 could closely simulate the MiG-21 up to Mach 1.2 for combat crew training in ACM, dissimilar aircraft engagements. "

I wonder why F-8E should have such acceleration (climb rate) to beat MiG-21 or what g it can sustain in turn ???

Behind Enemy Lines

kuyakev — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:43 GMT

Can someone please tell me why the F-18E didnt explode completely in the movie Behind Enemy Lines. Instead it broke into two perfect pieces giving the pilots time to eject. Also, what kind of missile struck the plane. Im assuming that its not heat-seeking because it totally ignored the flares that were previously dropped by the aircraft.

Buccaneer to the Rescue

Frikkie — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:06:04 GMT

This is a true story by a brilliant Pilot.

Buccaneer to the Rescue
by Andries Marais.

The armourer Flight Sergeant didn't like it one bit 'Captain, our orders were to load your aircraft with 72 standard HE rockets. I cannot change that on your request!'
He was quite correct of course. The type of weapon used in an air attack is determined after careful target analysis, and we were going to give close air support to our armoured fighting teams mopping up the Swapo camp at Chetequera. It had been decided by Strike Command that 68 mm high explosive rockets were the ideal medicine.
As it was, we had recently returned from a similar sortie over Cassinga, after helping the Parabats with some heavy machine-gun positions which had been troubling them following their silken let-down into that little town which had suffered a surprise attack at sunrise by some Canberras with anti-personnel bombs, and seven Buccaneers, each off-loading eight thousand-pounders.

I could not explain the reason for this highly irregular request, but repeated it nevertheless:'I want every third rocket to have an armour-piercing head, and that is final! And please hurry up; we must be airborne in fifteen minutes'.

Navigator Ernie Harvey looked even more perplexed when we ascended the ladder and lowered ourselves into the Bucc's large but cluttered cockpit. He was, however, soon too busy setting up the Nav. Computer to say anything. Those moments prior to start-up for a strike mission are very tense, very personal, and can only be appreciated by one who has lived them. More so for the Navigator/Weapons System Operator who has no control over the aircraft in any way, and is completely at the mercy of his pilot.
After the engines have been started, nerves loosen up, as the task at hand requires the crew's total attention, and soon we were crossing the border into Angola at something under the speed of sound, on track and on time for Chetequera.
Ernie was just about to check in with Tactical Headquarters at Ondangwa when things started going mad on the Ops frequency.

*** Warneke, having relieved us at close air support, reported an armoured convoy consisting of tanks and BTR 152 personnel carriers was approaching Cassinga from the south...

We heard two Mirages being scrambled, and the flight leader reporting that they had no rockets, only 30 mm cannon, but with no armour-piercing rounds to stop the tanks, I again made a decision against all planning, and understandably drew some comment from my navigator who had the very difficult task of keeping us on track to our planned target over the featureless Southern Angola countryside. 'Do you still have the Cassinga maps with you?' I enquired, Ernie said 'No', but, bless him, he had not cleared the target co-ordinates from the navigation computer which, incidentally, was the only one installed in our squadron at that time.
The next moment I had track and distance (and time to go) on my Horizontal Situation Indicator, and not being able to get a word in on the, by now, completely cluttered frequency, I took up the indicated heading and felt the thrust of power from the two Rolls Royce Speys, as I opened the throttles.
We were ten minutes from Cassinga when I was for the first time able to break in over the radio chatter and ask permission to terminate our flight to Chetequera and attack the tanks, mentioning that we were carrying armour-piercing rockets. Major Gert Havenga, who manned the Ops frequency at Tactical HQ, also a Buccaneer pilot and never afraid of assuming responsibility, did not hesitate. You are cleared, and I will back you up'. What a man!

Surprise and Concentration of Force are key principles of any assault action, and by the grace of God we again achieved them that Sabbath of 4 May 1978. As I rolled into my dive attack on the tanks which had by now reached the outskirts of Cassinga, in front of me, just settling into their attack, were the two Mirages. The 30 mm HE rounds of the first one exploded ineffectively on the lead tank and I called out to the second aircraft to leave the tanks alone and go for the personnel carriers. The pilot confirmed my request and the next moment I was overjoyed with pride as I witnessed my closest friend, Major Johan Radloff, whose voice I had immediately recognised take out three BTRs with a single burst from his twin cannon .

Ernie gave me a selection of 12 rockets which also flew true, and then we had to break off violently to avoid flying through the debris from the exploding tank.
Turning round for another pass, we could see the first tank burning like a furnace, and on this run, the lead Mirage pilot destroyed no fewer than five BTR's with a long burst, running his shells in movie-like fashion through them. 'Dis hoe die boere skiet, julle .... sems!' were my thoughts and then our second salvo of 12 rockets, every third one with an armour piercing head, also struck home.
In a matter of seconds, two tanks and about 16 armoured personnel carriers had been completely destroyed, and then the Mirages were down to their minimum combat fuel and they had to retire leaving us to deal with the rest.
We decided to concentrate on the tanks, and then things started happening. Most of the BTRs were trailing twin-barrelled 14.5 mm anti-aircraft guns, and some of them were now deployed and shooting at us. Even one of the tanks was firing with its main weapon and I remember being amused at the gunner's optimism at hitting a manoeuvring target travelling at 600 knots.
Ernie on the other hand was far from amused as he was not, like me, in a state of aggression and experiencing tunnel vision. Keeping a good look out all around, he was actually aware of several AA positions firing at us. He was even less impressed at my dismissal of the problem, but my whole system was now charged to take out the remaining tanks.

As we turned in again, these two tanks left the road and disappeared into the bush. We destroyed another BTR, but decided to save our ammunition for the tanks. Flying around trying to locate them, I became annoyed with one AA site which kept up a steady stream of tracer in our direction and decided to take it out. It was, in fact, the gun which had been towed by the BTR we had Just destroyed, and to this day I can only have respect for the discipline and courage of the gun crew and some troops who kept up their firing - even with their small arms - until my rockets exploded amongst them, killing the lot and destroying the gun.
As I broke off from this attack, the huge gaggle of helicopters passed underneath us and landed in the pre-planned area to pick up the troops. By this time I had learned that the Chief of the Army, Lieut-General Viljoen, was on the ground with them, and that there was grave concern for his safety.
Then, as the helicopters were landing, the remaining two tanks reappeared on the road and started shelling the landing area which was in a shallow depression. Because of this, and the inability of that particular type of tank's inability to lower its gun far enough, they were fortunately over tank, and calculating that we had 12 rockets left, I asked Ernie to give me only six, leaving another salvo for the other tank.
Timing was critical as the tanks were beginning to find their range. I realised that they HAD to be stopped. It was a textbook, low angle attack, and the 'Buc' was as steady as a rock in the dive. It was like lining up on a trophy kudu bull after a perfect stalk, but when I pulled the trigger, nothing happened - no rockets, not even one.

I jerked the aircraft around, almost in agony, cursing Ernie for having selected the wrong switches. He was quite adamant that he had selected the switches correctly, and then we went in for another attack, but with the same heart-stopping result.

Without really thinking it out, I opened the throttles wide and kept the aircraft in the dive, levelling off at the last moment, and flying over the tank very low and doing nearly Mach One.
Turning, we went in again from the front, this time doing the same thing with the tank once more shooting at us. I assumed that the crew would have no idea that we were out of ammunition, and hoping to intimidate them, we continued to make fast, head-on low level mock attacks. The Buccaneer from close up is an intimidating aircraft. Flying low, it makes a terrific amount of noise compressed into a single instant as a shock wave, and if this had an amplified resonance inside the tank, the crew would have to be well-trained to stay with it, were my thoughts!

Again I can only praise God, for I remember distinctly having felt during those minutes which followed, being an instrument in His hands; myself a perfect part of the aircraft, and He the Pilot. As it was, the tank crews were eventually sufficiently intimidated to once again seek cover in the heavy bush, enabling the helicopters to load their precious cargo and get away safely.

After returning to base at Grootfontein, 17 hits were counted on their Buccaneer, including a 67mm hit through one of the wings, a 37 mm AA hit through the Port flap, there were 14.5mm hits through both engines although not one were fatal and finally a 14.5 hit right in the middle of the windscreen.
This as I am sure you will agree, not only commands respect for the incredible strength off the windshield but equally, respect for the entire aircraft aswell.

Andries Marais was awarded the Honoris Crux medal for an action of bravery while his life was in danger.
Navigator Ernie Harvey received the Chief of the Defence Force's Commendation medal for his truly commendable actions.

Cheers
Frikkie

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how to break from incoming missille

adj — Sun, 01 Dec 2002 05:10:52 GMT

Hi, could somebody give me advice about breaking from incoming missille. Is there any instrument that could tell the position and the speed of a missille. How about the angle, speed, maneuvers, effective distance of the fighter to break from the incoming missille. Give me everything, anything. Pleeeease ....

SU-27

anonymous2 — Tue, 04 May 1999 08:40:00 GMT

*** Posted by TIGER ***
Hi RUN
The Cobra maneuver can be used to make an opponent to overshoot and to disappear from the radar screen due to Doppler effect. Am I right?
Do you think you can find another use for The Cobra maneuver ?
How you compare in terms of maneuvrability Su-27 and F-16?
TIGER

Will the Steerable gun pod change the F-16 tactics?

Snapshot — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:56:20 GMT

I wormly recommend to review FAR Technologies Ltd. ("FAR") website: http://www.fartechnologies.com/, for innovative concepts and technologies in the military aviation arena, among them is the Air-Born Re-Arm and the Steerable Gun Pod.

Sims Unleashed

Slick — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:09:34 GMT

I want to play the Sims Unleashed Online for free, please help?

Sensation in plane

filter — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:06:04 GMT

I've always wondered, when does that sensation you get from going up and down in a plane go away? or when do you start to get used to it

USAF enlistee in need of advice from pilots please

five-seven — Sun, 09 Feb 2003 11:06:57 GMT

Hi, I really need some advice from a current or ex-military pilot. I'm currently in the delayed entry program for the U.S.A.F. and I'm just waiting on getting a job position so I can ship out. My question is this, what is the best route to becoming a pilot?

I've asked my recruiter, and he is a very straight forward and honest guy, who basically told me it was nearly impossible. I pretty much think so too. I am already 24 years old, and have yet to get my bachelors, so yes, it is almost impossible. I know the age limit is around 27 or so.

Can anyone please give me any advice? Are there certain ways around the age limit? What carreer field would be best to go into? Currently I'm looking at airborne cryptologist, avionics (no really too excited about that one), or even Combat Controller (spec ops) if it would help. Any tips on the right job to get in the right places, right time? What degree should I go for? I would need to be taking college courses at the same time, of course, and try for the bachelors degree in record time, but I AM UP FOR IT...if it's possible.

Please help if you can. Being a military pilot has always been my dream, it may be too late but I need to at least make this one effort to at least try. Please also let me know if you think it's too late, and there's no possible way.

Thanks.

Questions... to all the Pilots!

anonymous2 — Tue, 08 May 2001 21:23:00 GMT

*** Posted by Ace ***
Hello military pilots! I keep playing Falcon 4.0 and keep wondering-how close is this simulation to reality? If any of you ever played the game please answer!
And something else..the oxygen mask is on the helmet right? But when you get on the Falcon where do you plug it in?

Thanks for your attention!!!

How to avoid a manpad in aheavy airliner?

smsdeal — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:51:10 GMT

I would like to know:

What is the best action to be taken if a manpad SAM is approaching your heavy jet ( as in Bagdad the A300 of DHL) ?

In my opinion the best way to escape is to fly as fast as possible and as low as posssible.

Is that correct?

I want to know something about air battle tactics in Vietnam war

ykliu — Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:37:24 GMT

I am a college student in China.I want to know something about air battle tactics in Vietnam war,in order to do my homework.But I can't find any useful information in China.
Please give me some help!

Advice needed Urgently by Actual Fighter Pilot(s), Please!!

Bernice — Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:50:46 GMT

Please respond to the following,
I am currently 16 years of age from South Africa, and like many teenagers am interested in becoming the best fighter pilot that I can possibly be in the near future. My ambition and determination to become a fighter pilot is unlimited and my grades are exceptionally well and above the standard required. But my first question is: How do I “rise above” all the others that too, want to be fighter pilots? (Especially taking in to consideration that I’m female) And my second question being: Can I join the USAF (or any other Air Force), even though I’m a South African born citizen and how do I proceed in doing so?
Thank you, Bernice

Phoenix Air Group EW Tactics

End Game — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:16:08 GMT

Phoenix Air Group Tactics

Can anyone provide me with information about the EW (Electronic Warfare) tactics provided by Phoenix Air Group, using their Phoenix Force Lear jets, to the US military?

Thanks.

End Game

Re:Archer vs AIM

anonymous2 — Fri, 05 Jul 2002 14:16:00 GMT

*** Posted by Emanuele Costa ***
dear all,
I have a question. Sorry if I ask, but I really do not know to who ask.
I have heard that in Russia there is a place where you can fly in a MIG, paying of course. This place is a sort of TOUR INTO A MIG, with a pilot who drive the aircraft.

Do you know something about it ?
Please can u send me a message to bikerr1@virgilio.it ?

thanks & regards

Emanuele Costa ITALY

> Hi Rapier
> About AIM9. The most advanced AIM9 is 5 years behind the Archer.
That is true AND the Archer became opporational in 1983! NATO
underestimated the capabilities of the Archer and Adder. So they
did nothing to significantly improve the Sidewinder or Sparrow!
The new Sindewinder AIM-9X out performs everything else in
the world, including the Israeli Python 4!

> why have F-16's in "Operation Allied Force" been so sucessfull
> in downing these MIG's.
Russian pilots and their allies only fly about 20 hrs per YEAR!!
Aliied pilots fly a minimum of 20 hrs month! Experince and
training is the difference!

CHECK THIS OUT! It is about a program on the Discovery Channel.
The US Navy sent 8 F/A-18C pilots to Laage, Germany to work with
the 73Fighter Squadron which uses the Mig.-29 as its primary
aircraft!
The specs on the F/A-18 versus the Mig.-29 are similiar but in
reality their performance is quite different!! The same is true
for the Slammer (aka -AMRAAM) versus the Adder. The Luftwaffe
says the effective range of the Slammer is FAR greater than the
Adder or what the specs would indicate! There are tactics to
nullify the advantage of superior dog fight missiles and HMDS!
Just as there are tactics to nullify the advantage of BVR
missiles.

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Some questions....

anonymous2 — Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:14:00 GMT

*** Posted by Razor ***
Hello guys !!
Just a few questions to the fighter pilots...

What is the maximum G-tolerance for the average fighter pilot ? Can we increase this figure by means of exercise/training, etc ?
Also,in a 2-seater fighter plane, can the backseater guy take control of the aircraft should the pilot be incapacitated ?? Is he also trained to fly the aircraft ?

4 run

anonymous2 — Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:21:00 GMT

*** Posted by Justin ***
what would u say the hardest soviet fight would b? mig-29? su-27? you said in other post the su-27 is basicaly the better plane in a dogfight. So is it better then 29 in dogfight then?